I am starting this. No one went to the original discussion that Landee posted. She is having some sort of family olympics.And Jenny says two minutes.Anyone else around?
Oh good. i thought maybe I was going crazy
Cuz it is 11:17 pm for me and I's tired.
Hi Flem. I have to say that I respectfully disagree with what you said about Miss Skeeter not ending up with a guy at the end. I liked the fact that she remained happily single.
No--so I am going to start with this question... the love interest. Was that guy supposed to seem deep but really be shallow?
Po Boy checking in. Thanks for jumpin' in and gettin this going Flem.
I got visitors. Be back in a couple minutes.
Oh really? Well I just felt sad for her that she had to choose her beliefs or a relationship. I wish she could have found both. But I agree it would have been superficial if she would have gotten together with him.I just like happy endings.
Sorry!!! Our Family Olympics ran long. I cleaned up on the medals tho, no surprises. I need to read some reviews. Brb.
I like happy endings too. That's what makes Twilight so awesome. But this guy was a jerk. I agree that it would have been great if she could have met someone good enough for her.
I think Skeeter will discover she is actually gay once she gets to New York anyway.
Or find a man that she loves and it turns out he is gay.
I want to hear how quickly everyone read this book.
Jenny says she is on her way home.So the guy was a jerk--the men were all kind of jerks. Except Johnny.But I guess I liked that the book was about women because I could relate to that.
Hey, what the...! I can't believe I wasn't late for this! Just posted my review.
Here's a question I totally just made up:What do you think motivated Hilly? On one hand she’s so unpleasant to Aibileen and her own help, as well as to Skeeter once she realizes she can’t control her. But she’s a wonderful mother. Do you think you can be a good mother but at the same time a deeply flawed person?
I thought it was hilarious that her mother thought she was just because she wasn't married yet.
It took me about 5 days? I was also reading another book, non-fiction, otherwise I think I woulda torn through it. Total page turner.
It took me a month minus a day to read it (finished it yesterday)
I loved Johnny! I like that he turned out to be a real sweetheart.
It took me about 4 days. And that's not just to one-up Flem.
Hilly was a nice person with deeply rooted racism. I think a lot of people are like that--you can be nice and also be racist, it was the way of the south.My husband's grandmother was totally nice but told my SIL before she went to China to teach English "now the last thing I need is a Chinese in-law." She was not mean, just from Atlanta and 96 years old.
Great question Landee. I think yes. I think so. And I believe the opposite is true too. you can be a very nice, good person and a lousy,disconnected mother like Miss Leefolt.
One-upper.I was reading "Why Students Don't Like School" and it was really engaging so I had to go back and forth.Do I sound smart when I say that or just boring?
I finished it pretty quick. Maybe a few days.
I think Hilly was a product of her environment like 95% of the population. It's a rare person who breaks out and away from their upbringing. Hilly embraced it more than others tho.Who loved the pottys on the front lawn?? ::raising both hands::
I'm Skeeter, cuz I'm tall.
I read the first 10 pages and then put it down because I didn't want to read a depressing book. Once I picked it up again and passed page 25 I really got into it and read it in three or four days. I did get physically sick though when I read about Miss Celia's miscarriage.
Flem--good point about Hilly. I like that she had a good side to her. Most people who do bad things aren't all bad.
Were the details too grody or were you just sad?
I once had a maid, but I didn't think she cleaned as good as me so I stopped having her come over. So I guess that means I wouldn't have had "help" back then either. ::here comes the halo::
Who was your favorite character?
"Hilly was a nice person with deeply rooted racism."I disagree. I think Hilly was a stuck up snob, and not just in regards to the "help".
Question #2: Do you think Minny was justified in her distrust of white people?
I loved how Minny acted all grossed out about changing other peoples sheets. Cuz sheets have hair, skin and "scabs" in them.
I was super sad because I had an almost identical situation. It was hard to read and I almost stopped reading the book altogether but a friend told me to keep going.
I was worried it would be a depressing book, but it wasn't at all. I was worried about there being a lot racial violence.
The saddest was when that nice boy was beaten blind.
I liked the naked man being beaten though.
Regarding Minny being distrustful of white people. yes, 100% justified in my opinion
I think they were ALL justified in their distrust of white people.
Oh, Markie just swayed me the other way. Sorry Flem.
If I woulda been a black person back then I would have HATED white people. Hated.
One of my favorite parts was when all the church goers signed a book for Miss Skeeter. So touching. I have to go put a kid to bed. Be back soon.
Sorry to hear that Amanda... :(
Very sad when Hilly caused that one maid to get sent to prison. Wish they could have gotten her out before the book was over.
The naked guy... WTH was that?!
But that lady DID steal from Hilly. It wasn't a set up. That was disappointing.
yes Amanda... can't imagine. Sorry.
I have to say, that was probably the most satisfying revenge I could have imagined for Two-slice Hilly. But I wouldn't have imagined that. Cuz it's disgusting.
The punishment didn't fit the crime though.
Jespy I believe all people are fundamentally good. Ask Landee.But maybe Hilly wasn't so nice. Maybe she was just a confused and insecure person.
I also liked that some of the Help had good stories and relationships with their employers.
Mmmmm, chocolate pie!
Do you think Minnie actually did put some caca in the pie or just TOLE her that she did? Because that is kind of what I thought happened. That she said that she did it but didn't really but Hilly thought she did.
Fundamentally good is different from a "nice person". I agree that most people are good. A rare few can be described as nice. I take trait very srsly. It's my favorite.
I will probably never each chocolate pie again.Once when I was a kid the Taco Bell 45 minutes from our house got busted for an employee taking a número dos in the beans. I have been loathe to eat there since I was 16.
She felt too much guilt to be faking it.
I think she put actual doo in the pie... hard to imagine it would still be tasty enough to eat two slices however. Also you'd think the corn would be a giveaway.
You just ruined Taco Bell!
I loved the whole discussion as to whether they should put the pie thing in the book. The beauty was they knew Hilly. It was perfect how she was saying it was Jackson then suddenly said it wasn't.
It had to be a small amount, otherwise it would smell. I would think. Hraka is strong.
Obviously we are all good deep down, that's how we all made it here to start. But I don't think everyone stays good.
Oh, she put crap in there. But maybe just a tablespoon. Not enough to detect anything.
Just enough to possibly spread a few "colored" diseases.
Loved the pie in the book! Perfect solution.Hotpants--that's some deep "two-slices"
How do you put in "a tablespoon"? You think she actually measured?
It was so fitting given the big deal about separate bathrooms.
Question #3: Do you think that had Aibileen stayed working for Miss Elizabeth, that Mae Mobley would have grown up to be racist like her mother? Do you think racism is inherent, or taught?
Ooh Markie I didn't even realize that! Good point about the poetic justice. Minnie was smart.
I was irony at its best. And yes, she measured.
I'm back. I just wish they would have put the pie at the Beginning of the book rather than the end.. And yes that lady did steal but it was after she asked if she could borrow some money and the lady said no. People in desperate situations do desperate things, especially when it's for their children.
2 tbsp cocoa powder (may substitute cocoa with 1 1/2 tbsp hraka)
I think it is taught.
I can perfectly picture her measuring her poop. Scraping the top off with a butter knife.
Great question Landee. I honestly don't know. I want to hope not, but she might have.
How long did it take you to read it HottyPants?
I bet she was able to just eye the amount. She was a good cook.
I think Aibileen mentions how she done raised all these babies and they all grow up to be like their mamas (aka racist)... so.... although that was way before MLKjr.
Amanda--two wrongs do not a right make. She deserved mercy, her punishment was too harsh, but stealing can't be justified, IMO.
It disappointed me when she did.
beat for 5 minutes to remove lumps or corn particles
I srsly want summadat caramel cake tho. Made my mouth water every time it was mentioned. So glad urine didn't end up in that or something.
I think racism is taught as well. Take my husband's strong prejudice against the Idaho Vandal's for instance. He has passed that hatred on to our daughter who grimaced at anything yellow and black. She's nine.
I Read 20 pages a couple weeks ago, forgot about it, picked it up this morning and finished about an hour ago.
Racism is taught but kids naturally think people with different color skin are strange.Remember the Brown v. Board of Ed. case with the children and the dolls?Kids naturally think that stuff that looks like them is better but the adults around them teach them if it is better or worse.
ONE DAY???? Wha??
Jenny, that's the difference between Republicans and Democrats. LOL!
Democrats like to turn the purps into the victims.
Sick, Mark. Sick.
Kidding, I don't think the stealing was justified, but I can certainly see why she did it. Kinda like Minny's pie. But illegal.
i love potty humor
It's why I hate corn. Total waste of time to eat it.
It didn't underline in red with purps so I went with it.
It is midnight in ten minutes so I gotta go to bed but thanks landee! Can't wait to see what the book is for next month.Thanks all, great book!
Democrats steal? That's a bold statement.
Admission of guilt.....I have to admit that as I read this book I totally fantasized about having a maid.
Night, Flems. Thanks for staying up for us!
We all did, Amanda. I woulda eaten lunch with her too like Celia.
Bye. Flem. ::said in a huff:: I hate your job.
I am the maid.
I could never have a real life maid, it would be too embarrassing. But a robot maid... that I must have!!! Can't wait for apple to come out with one.
I don't think I could have a maid 'cause I would always feel like I needed to clean up the place before she came over.
I'm gonna put some poop in tomorrows dinner. I'm so under appreciated.
Q#4: Do you think there are still vestiges of racism in relationships where people of color work for people who are white? Have you heard stories of someone who put away their valuable jewelry before their nanny comes – so they trust this person to look after their child, but not their diamond rings?
Hi!!! Did I miss the whole thing? Not a text or nothin'!
Maybe there's an app for that.
I figured you and Bri were gettin' it on or something. Didn't want to interrupt.
Send Landee a pie tomorrow Mother of Stand.
I would hide somethings before my SIL came over. But she's white.
No! That was LAST night. Geez.
Hey, peeps, my friend Allyoop is joining our book club. She's hilarious etc, you will all love. She actually and honestly predicted the poop pie, right to my face, halfway into the book. It was miraculous! So, she's smart too.
I won't believe it until I read it in the margins of her book.
I haven't posted my review yet. Sorry. But I LOVEDLOVEDLOVED this book!
I think I might be racist 'cause I loved Beauty and the Beast, and The Little Mermaid, but had no desire to see The Princess and the Frog. Srsly, what's up with that?
You made the right choice Markie.
This is a random thing to say but at the end I was kind of hoping that Minny's family would go live with Miss Celia and help fill up those empty bedrooms. I thought the book ended too soon
Markie!! You sound like my sister. What is up with that? YOu need to dig deeper into this.
Stands! where have you been? Did you post a review?
To answer question # 4 and not leave Landee hanging, my answer is yes.
I don't know if it's a race thing anymore so much as a class thing. Poor people are given a bad rap even if they are honest and good people.
K gize, I's gotta go. Great pick this month though! Thanks Landee!
Hey Jenny. I've been working on a 2nd grade bat cave, and just sitting around here enduring the closing ceremonies of the olympics...then I grabbed my phone to check Reader and BAM! There were all the reviews and I freaked!!! I can't believe I completely forgot.
My sis has often had Hispanic maids. I love my sis and I'm sure she has treated them all well, but I wonder if there will be another book in 20 years called "La Ayuda"
So, this is allyoop's comment... "Hey everyone I'm new. I'm Jenny's friend Ally. I don't know if I can hang with you guys, you are all so funny, but anyhow, my fave part of the book was when Aibileen has the realization that Minny put the pie incident in the book to protect everybody. I was bawlin' my eyes out when she tells Minny "You a beautiful person"!!!!!" I'm helping her out cuz she's still figuring out this blogging thing
Bye HP!Amanda, I would have loved it if Minny would have moved in with Celia. It took me a while to come up with a reason why that naked dood had to be involved at all. I mean, really, it seemed so random and unnecessary. But then I guess it was to secure Minny's employment with Celia and Johnny. Johnny then knew Minny would protect Celia no matter what Hilly tried to say about her.
Also, I think it was Jenny who asked, "What was up with the naked man?" I think the author, who is obviously a big time feminist (nothing wrong with that, btw) was trying to portray in this book a lot of the things women were faced with in this time of history. Racism (obviously), domestic violence, wage discrimination (Miss Skeeter made way less than her male counterparts), etc. I think the naked guy was put in there to show rape as another silent issue women were up against.
K, wait, I have a point to make about #4 before every body leaves...
I was telling Landee that the day I started reading this book, my cleaning lady was at my house. It was SO awkward, except that I was the only one feeling the awkwardness. I spent that whole day having internal arguments with myself over why it was okay for me to have a cleaning lady, wondering if I was really willing to live without her, justifying why I could keep her...blah - blah - blah. It was exhausting.
I have housecleaners and they make more money than my husband does. Srsly. I would love a maid though. Someone to cook and clean and pick up after me.....ah, heaven.
Hi allyoop, good to meet ya. When you get this blogging thing all figgured out, you can 'splain the name for us (comic book fan? Basketball fan?)
Excellent comment about naked man Amanda. Srsly... insightful!
StandsMom, I've had housecleaners, the same ones for the last 6 years. They're awesome. Because we don't have a lot of money anymore I've had to cut back to once a month. The thing I feel really bad about is I'm on food stamps. Now all you Republicans really want to shoot me, huh.
But my nekkid man comment was lame? Well forget you then Markie!
I didn't immediately understand the nekkid dood either. But Landee's explanation threw it all into perspective for me. She really did need a solid thing like that to lock her into that job. But, I think the fact that she stayed with Celia and saved her life when she had that miscarriage was a big deal too.
Amanda. Please tell me you're kidding.
Thanks Markie. I think we should have a discussion sometime as to what everyone's blog name means and how they got that name. I got my name because that's what my parents decided to call me. But Hot Pants......is that what you're called in bed or something?
Sorry Landee - good point, very good point. I love that Minny found a place that suited her perfectly and that protected her from her sassy mouth, and especially from Hilly.
Q#5: Like Hilly, Skeeter’s mother is a prime example of someone deeply flawed yet somewhat sympathetic. She seems to care for Skeeter – and she also seems to have very real feelings for Constantine. Yet the ultimatum she gives to Constantine is untenable. And most of her interaction with Skeeter is critical. Do you think Skeeter’s mother is a sympathetic or unsympathetic character? Why?
Ok, I'm kidding.
Oooooooooooh!!! That Hilly. I could spit she ticks me off so much. Spit!
I would KILL for a Minny in my life.
Skeeter's mom reminds me of yours Landee. Am I wrong?
I think Skeeter's mom fit the role she knew she was supposed to fit and followed suit. But I think her cancer softened her. Plus, I think she secretly knew more about what Skeeter was doing and very discretely stood up for her that day that Hilly showed up to chew her out.
The only reason skeeter's mom was a sympathetic character was bc she was dying. I think that's it.
Ew, another great question. I think what Skeeter's mom did was awful. But, like the other woman of her day and age, she was a product of her environment and Skeeter recognized that. I think that is why she was able to forgive her mother. It also helped that she was dying. You always tend to be a little more sympathetic to people with cancer.
My compy is freaking out! Comments keep fluking out
allyoop comes from her name being ally. Mystery solved!
And yay for Allyoop!!
I think all Skeeter's Mom's criticisms were legitimately to "help" Skeeter. She honestly wanted what was best for her but was clueless as to how to say it. And yes, my mother to a tee. But look how good I turned out!!
My thoughts exactly. Good intentions. Not good at executing.
I picked StandsMom because people miss spell Stanz...and I'm a mom. I couldn't come up with anything else. Besides, I secretly consider Mother of Stand to be a term of endearment.
I get the feeling that NOW you're kidding Amanda. But it's ok. We all have our things I guess.
Skeeters mom reminded me so much of my MIL - very critical of her daughter ("your not going to wear THAT are you?). My wife loves her mother but has tried very hard to not turn out like her in many ways.
Here's the point I wanted to make, one reason a maid would be trusted with kids but not the silverware is because a person capable of stealing silverware is not necessarily capable of child abuse. Stealing is not a violent crime. We wouldn't necessarily leave our pin number on the counter when the babysitter comes over.
The older I get the more patient I get with my mother. Sometimes after hanging out with her I feel like giving myself a medal. It takes so much courage and tack. I literally just keep my mouth shut and nod and smile. Education Week was real interesting, real interesting.
Or the car keys, I've been told. (some babysitters like to take people's cars out for joy rides).
It's totally a term of endearment Mother of Stand.
There was a local TV station when I was a child called Marquee 23, and that became my nickname growing up.
Ok, so I was kidding when I said I was kidding. But the thing is we've lost absolutely everything. And I figured keeping the housecleaners once a month and not losing my mind would be cheaper than having a mental break down and being hospitalized. Especially since we don't have any health insurance. I thought cutting back from once a week to once a month would at least keep me sane and off an antidepressant. So far it's working. Except last month we borrowed money from my mom to pay our rent and didn't have the money for cleaners so my house has gone two months without being cleaned and it's pretty disgusting right now. But, good news, we got our tax return last week and the cleaners are scheduled for Thursday and I am super excited. (All of this is true). PS Never let your husband work as a mortgage banker for 100 % commission. Especially during a housing crisis.
So now we know where Markie came from. All this time...Jenny is my first name, and I have ESP. That's where my name came from.
Q#6: Would someone really name their kid Trelore? I mean, really? C'mon.
Wow, I just realized that Markie is a guy. Lol @ myself. Great nickname explanations guys. I also wondered.
My name is just cool. That's why I'm Memzy.
I'm still curious about Flem though.
Her last name is FLeming
Did you say it "tree lore" or trey LORE"?
OK, if you didn't know already, I work at BYU. I'm right next to the Wilkinson Center - 370 CTB. I don't want to hear about people spending a week on campus without dropping by to say hi. Capish!
I agree Amanda. I'm just dyin' to know what the origin of Hot Pants is!
I said TREE lore
And yes I could clean the house myself but I can't. I seriously try but I'm too ADD to ever finish. I do the dishes though.
Can I just say something? Even though we haven't had an enormous amount of comments, this has been one of the most meaningful discussions yet.I'm proud of you gize.
Of course I'm a guy. I just like to wear an apron and bonnet once in a while. Got a problem?
Oh geez, Amanda!! I am totally not judging you, cuz I'm your friend and stuff. But I better get a free pass for pretty much everything I ever do, K?
To Amanda; hug. To Jenny; ESP? What'd you figure out when I was talking your ear off in the airport? Do tell. Amanda; I didn't realize right away that Markie was a guy either. LOL! Landee; Is Trelore like Tree Lore? Yeah. I didn't quite get that, but most of the names were a little beyond my sheltered WY 99.9% white upbringing. Memzy; yes you are cool.
Did you make up Memzy or did someone give you that nickname? Where does Landee come from. And that's cool Markie. Next time I'm at BYU, I'll come say hi.
And the meaningful-ness will continue gize. Can't wait to introduce next month's selection!
Yes, good book, and good discussion, but I'm tired and its past my bedtime. Good night y'all.
I just said skipped over the name Trelore cuz I thought it was weird. I did love Mae Mobley though. So very southern. I'm also glad to know I wasn't the only one who didn't know Markie was a guy. He needs to stop with the cross dressing.
For me, it was either gonna be Sandia or Landeelu (the two names my niece named all her dollys) and I chose Landeelu. I wish it was deeper than that.
Allyoop! You made a comment! Yay!
OMGOSH Amanda! That is TOTALLY me! I'm so ADD that cleaning the house makes me feel like my brain is going to explode. It's ridiculous. My cleaning lady keeps me sane and is a huge buffer in my marriage.
I knew Markie was a guy. cuz of my ESP, you gize
Before I go can I just make a pitch for something light, meaningless, and requiring very little thought for our next book? Ok, maybe the next one after this one, since Memzy seems to have already picked another Oprah selection for March.
Oh, it's a cute name. Well, I better shut up because I talk too much and I'm always the last one to comment. But not this time. Night everyone. Great discussion and great book choice. I look forward to next month. See ya
Hey Stands and Amanda, get a room, eh?
I made it up. My real name is Emily. I wanted a fake name and Memzy came out of my brain. Plus.....it's cool. Dorky duh.
And Memzerton is your last name. Deerrrrrrrrr!
What. Ever. Landee. I told you I did that last night. Drop the doin'it talk already. HAHA!I guess I don't have much room to talk, though. My brain is usually in the dirt.
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