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Sunday, December 7, 2008

Uglies Discussion:

Put on your interface rings and lets do some discussion-making in the comments.

I found these stimulating questions written by the esteemed Mr. Westerfeld himself, for the purpose of bookclub discussions:

1. Have you ever had a friend like Peris, who abandoned your friendship after they moved away?

2. At first, did you hope Tally would get the operation? When did you change your mind? (Or did you?)

3. Have you ever found yourself trusting someone more or paying more attention to what they said not because they deserved it, but just because of their looks?

4. In what ways did Tally’s trip through the wild prepare her for what she learned in the Smoke?

5. Would you give up your ability to think independently in exchange for being happy, beautiful, perpetually healthy, and rich?

6. How did David see Tally differently than she saw herself?

7. If Shay could have gone back in time and never have met Tally, do you think she would?

8. Other than the pretty operation, what are the main differences between the pretty society and our own? (Are there any ways in which the pretty society is healthier than ours?)

9. To what extent did Tally decide her own fate, and how much did other people decide it for her?

10. The Rusty civilization collapsed because of its dependence on oil. In what ways is your lifestyle dependent on oil and gasoline? How easily would you survive if it all disappeared one day?

Enjoy!

-scott

From the sound of him, I'm thinking Scott Westerfeld is pretty hot you gize!

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Jenny ESP said...

#1: I think I am that friend. I am Peris.

Markie23 said...

Who did you abandon Jenny?

Landee said...

I'm feeling bubbly... let's get it on!

Jenny ESP said...

Where are you gize?

Hot Pants said...

Ping

Landee said...

I totally trust pretty people more than ugly people, you gize.

Hot Pants said...

This book annoyed me big time. Mainly from the third book, so I am hesitant to talk about it.

Jenny ESP said...

#3: I have noticed that EXTREMELY beautiful people are oftentimes very dull and have no sense of humor. Probably because they didn’t have to try very hard. Have you noticed that?

Landee said...

You read the third book?? I am almost done.

Hot Pants said...

I will admit I totally trust pretty people more. That's why I am in the process of adopting a kid from Peru, Cambodia, and Africa

samandlysander said...

Oh man, I heart these books you gize. Am I the only one.

Hot Pants said...

I agree Jenny ESP. Definitely boring, pretty people are.

Landee said...

Pretty people are always the lamest, for shore... it's cuz everyone gives them attention with out them having to do anything for it... so, is being interesting a skill??

Memzy said...

Doyee

Hot Pants said...

Samantha, you should totally move to Oregon or Washington.

Landee said...

I loved them Sam. NO worries. Jenny is a self-proclaimed book snob. PLUS she went from Exodus to this... unwise.

Jenny ESP said...

#2: I did hope Tally would turn pretty. I can’t tolerate ugly people.

Sam--it wasn't horrible. There were parts I loved, I just didn't really care for Tally or David.

Hot Pants said...

I am lucky, I had a good 10 years of adolescence that totally made me undull.

Jenny ESP said...

Other way around L. I read Exodus after Uglies

Landee said...

I LOVE Tally! I mean, who can think their way outta brain lesions fhs! I'd sooo like to see you try.

Jenny ESP said...

#5: I am fine being ugly myself. I just can’t tolerate OTHER ugly people.

Landee said...

Oh, nevermind then.

Markie23 said...

Jenny, you're not dull, and you have a great sense of humor.

Memzy said...

I'm trying to talk to Aunt Visor on the phone right now.

Hot Pants said...

I didn't get connected with Tally and David as a couple. It was kind of like he liked her and she figured, eh...why not.

Markie23 said...

whoa, I better take my seasick pill.

Landee said...

You gize, I long to live in the High Pretty Tower in New Pretty Town. What is wrong with me?

Memzy said...

Bad idea

Jenny ESP said...

I only read Uglies, not the subsequent books, so I didn't like Tally in book 1. She might grow on me in the next one.

Memzy said...

Brain lesions must be your thing Landers

Landee said...

FTR, I hate Shay. Through all of them soooo...

Hot Pants said...

I LOVE being around ugly people. It is very bubbly-making. I get all "puffed" up.

Landee said...

Is there a cure for ugly brain? I need Maddy to get right on that.

samandlysander said...

I couldn't stand Shay especially in books 2 and 3

Memzy said...

Shay=lame sauce

Zane= I might hit that.

Jenny ESP said...

#4: Tally’s trip through the wild made me like her for a while. Then she did a bunch of lie-making.

Am I the only one answering these stimulating questions or what? Mr. Westerfeld wrote them, ya know.

Hot Pants said...

I agree about hating Shay. Total B.

Landee said...

Not when he gets the shakes tho... replusive... oh wait. NM.

BTW, Markie, I loved your essay. Very insightful indeedy.

Jenny ESP said...

Who is Zane?

Hot Pants said...

Can we please not talk about Zane. Ugly-making memories.

Jenny ESP said...

Markie=smart, insightful, thoughtful.

Memzy said...

#7. Shay toadally would have gone back in time and given Tally-wa the bird.

Landee said...

Those questions were a jumping off point if we were stuck I thought. This convo is very stimulant-making.

Markie23 said...

Good job on your reviews... to those of you who wrote them... for the rest... you are so un-fun-making.

samandlysander said...

I loved Zane way better than David. Why wasn't he in book 1.

Hot Pants said...

And religious. I can't wait for the next time I'm asked to give a talk. This book club rocks!

Landee said...

Fine #10: I never would be able to see any of you IRL ever again. ::single tear::

Hot Pants said...

David was a bore, Zane was pretty and fun.

Jenny ESP said...

#6: I have no clue what David saw in Tally. She was dull-witted and barely spoke two words to him. Anybody else get that? Speaking only of book 1, now.

Memzy said...

#8--The obvious diff in our society is that we don't recycle our clothes through a hole in the wall. How awesome is THAT!!!?

Hot Pants said...

#11: Micheal Jackson fa shizzle!

Landee said...

What?? You don't have a hole in the wall that gives you stuff? It must be a Denver thing.

Landee said...

Creepy pretty.

samandlysander said...

David thought Tally was brave for coming to the smoke alone. He didn't know she was planning on backstabbing him.

Jenny ESP said...

#7: I don't know about Shay, but if I could go back in time and never meet Tally, I would.

Landee said...

I think this book is hard to to talk about without the other two books.

There, I said it.

Katie said...

I can't believe I am late! At least I am not pretty. They are so lame.

Hot Pants said...

Landee nailed the specials with that picture. It is exactly what I pictured in my head. I don't even have a lesion yet!

Katie said...

I only say that because I am jealous

Landee said...

Jenny... two words....

Waaaawaaaaaaa.

Katie said...

I did put the pretties on hold at the library, just in case.

Memzy said...

Madonna was for sure the right line of thought. ::shuddering::

Jenny ESP said...

Yeah Sam, that's what he said, but I didn't FEEL the connection between them. It's like the author just TOLD us they liked each other and didn't SHOW us that they liked each other, ya know?

Hot Pants said...

Did the end of book 3 bug you...whoever read it.

Landee said...

I just wish Madonna would file her teeth to razor sharp points and then we'd really be talkin'.

Memzy said...

I SO feel you Jenny.

Memzy said...

I'm not quite done with 3 yet. Almost there.

Landee said...

I have 20 pages left in Book 3. I'm so icy I can harldy stand myself right now.

Markie23 said...

I was really really REALLY looking forward to Landee-wa's mock Ugly cover. Since it didn't happen I am the opposite of bubbly (flat?).

Jenny ESP said...

Katie, what the... How could you be late, you were here at 7:58

Hot Pants said...

I think that the author was terrible at writing any kind of a love story. Not to say that's it's because he's a guy. I bet Markie could write an awesome love story, but Scott can't. He kinda stunk at it to me.

Landee said...

You gize, I nailed the problem.... MALE AUTHOR.

I'm not kidding.

If we're lookin' for crushes on the main character/rooting for a genuine relationship, men DO NOT GET IT. He was all cool with the future gadgets and stuff but not the relationships.

Let's be weary of that the next time we're picking books.

samandlysander said...

Like I said I liked Zane better.


Hot Pants- The end of book three was good in some ways and bad in some ways. I didn't really like the whole speech bit.

Jenny ESP said...

So true Amy.

Hot Pants said...

Not that I was reading it for a love story, but that fact that he then tried to put a little love story in there....he didn't do it well.

Katie said...

This is so overwhelming. I can't keep up.
Yeah Madonna is creepy pretty, but that cat lady...yeah she is "special"

Jenny ESP said...

So true Landee.

Markie23 said...

A Big congrats to Katie on being the Ugliest Ugly!

Landee said...

Jinx you owe me a Coke Hotpants!

Markie, so sorry... I shoulda. I just don't have any exotic plants around to peek through.

Memzy said...

::plugging my ears::

samandlysander said...

I didn't love the books for the relationships just for everything else.

Landee said...

Yay Katie!!

Memzy said...

I am REALLY disappointed in not winning the ugliest ugly award.

Jenny ESP said...

Can you make sense of Westerfeld's #10 question? What the H is he talking about?

Landee said...

I agree Sam. I'm on Team Sam and Team Zane.

Katie said...

Maybe Scott never had a real love. Maybe this is some insight in to his tragic exsistance.

Hot Pants said...

I wasn't reading it for the relationships either, but then he stuck the idea in there. It reminded me of the anti-climactic ending in Breaking Dawn. <--had to throw a Twilight thing in there.

Landee said...

I wasn't even in the running, Memzy. Do you know how much THAT hurts?

Jenny, he's saying you have too much gas.

Jenny ESP said...

Hey, we are all winners in that Uglies contest. Just not as ugly as Katie.

Hot Pants said...

I really did like Zane.

Landee said...

Peris=some stooopid character I'm still trying to figure out why he's even there.

Hot Pants said...

Don't worry, I think you are all ugly.

samandlysander said...

Zane was very bubbly

Landee said...

Shay= some highly influenced young lady who I'd slap if given the chance.

Katie said...

Thank you! thank You! I knew I could do ugly the best!

Landee said...

David= too ugly for me

Hot Pants said...

Peris is a dope. seriously. What was the point of him. She made such a big deal out of him, then what? Nothing!

Landee said...

Az= hawt doctor dad I wanted to get to know better ::winkwink::

samandlysander said...

Yeah so, I didn't think they were really ugly. I just thought they were brainwashed to think they were ya know.

Memzy said...

Scott is lame, I've decided.

Jenny ESP said...

What makes a good book are good characters and their relationships to one another, IMO. I was reading the Uglies with the hinted promise that there would be some sex, I mean, love scenes in there, and it feel flat. Debbie Downer. WAAA waaa

Hot Pants said...

I just really hated Shay. She reminded me of someone. She was always jealous and angry and blaming. I just got irritated every time she came into the picture.

Katie said...

I think Peris I my favorite character for realz. He sounds really hot, and cool, right?

Landee said...

Exactly HotP!

Sneak suit= asking for one for Christmas.

Jenny ESP said...

Yeah, I know they weren't super ugly, just sorta plain. Which is not dope, IMO.

Hot Pants said...

I did like the books Samantha. It wasn't until I finished the 3rd one that I decided I didn't like them. I think I was expecting something more than an environmentalist plug.

samandlysander said...

I didnt like Maddy either she got pretty annoying.

Landee said...

I love how the Uglies were kids ages 12-16... who isn't completely fugly during those ages?? (see aunt visor's latest post for proof you gize)

Katie said...

I like balloons

Jenny ESP said...

So Peris is discontinued in the future books? Weird.

Hot Pants said...

I think Scott has a crush on Al Gore.

Katie said...

If you guys are going to pick books without love in them, count me out. I need something to light my fire while Tom is away.

Hot Pants said...

Peris is not discontinued. He's just a boring nothing character.

Landee said...

Bungee jacket + metal grid under my house = asking for it for Christmas.

Hot Pants said...

For three books

Markie23 said...

I'm really surprised everyone is bashing Shay so much. I liked her character. First of all, she wasn't a sheep, just going along with the crowd waiting for her pretty brain damage. I hated Tally at the beginning because she seemed like the classic dumb blond, only worried about her looks.
Shay was also an extreme trick-maker... master of the hoverboard, and never afraid to stick-it-to-da-man.

samandlysander said...

Peris is in all the books just very un fun making

Katie said...

Then I tried the higher octane and it smelt a little better

Hot Pants said...

Katie, just read Lord of the Hissy Fit.

samandlysander said...

ughh. Shayla reminded me of cat vomit more than anything.

Memzy said...

Don't forget a hoverboard Landee.

Landee said...

JBird wants one of those.

Hot Pants said...

Markie, you don't hate Shay because you are not a girl. Girls know this type of friend and they hate this type of friend.

Memzy said...

But Shay wanted to be a SPECIAL tho Markie.

Katie said...

I DO love balloons. Thank you for telling everyone Tom. That better not be my prize for humiliating myself in front of all of the millions of people who check out this blog.

Katie said...

I want a book about a big oily man with a glistening mullet and heaving chest muscles, that would really wet my whistle

Hot Pants said...

And if a girl doesn't hate this type of friend it is because they ARE this type of friend.

Landee said...

The problem with Shay was that she was extreme in whatever she was doing. So easily manipulated and then PSYCHO about it.

I guarantee there was NOTHING between her & David and yet Tally "stole her boyfriend." W/e Shay. Go make a coat out of animal skins fhs.

samandlysander said...

STAY ICEY

Jenny ESP said...

There were times I liked Tally in book 1, but I couldn't get over how she took boring old David away from lamerz Shay and then lied to him about the Special Circumstances. What a jerk. Agree?

samandlysander said...

Shay was very jealous-making

Hot Pants said...

Is Tom on here?

Landee said...

She was in a tight spot at that point Jenny. You are so Judgy Judgerson.

::getting out razor:: Thanks for the reminder, Sam.

Jenny ESP said...

I feel Tom's presence.

Katie said...

I think everyone But you dislikes Shay, Mark. I think that proves that you are a bad judge of character.

Jenny ESP said...

And she did not CTR, L. Heck ya I'm judgmental. And self-righteous too. Jealous?

Katie said...

I however think Shay is Gay

samandlysander said...

:Biting my lip with my razor sharp teeth: ---- Stay Icey

Landee said...

I like the pace of this discussion, btw. I just had time to go refill my Diet Dr. P.

Memzy said...

And yet what does loving mullets prove about you Katie? I think you just went up a few notches in my book.

Katie said...

Oh, he is here. Everything from this point on that you find offensive is from him

Damn Hell Balls

Landee said...

Hey PS.... what the FREAK was going on in those pleasure gardens... right??? Yikers.

Memzy said...

BTW, did you gize know there are more after Specials?

Landee said...

Just Extras, right?

Markie23 said...

I agree totally that the shay-tally-david love triangle was So un-bubbly. It was totally thrown in there by the author who seemed to think if he said it existed, then people would just use their imaginations and fill in the huge blanks that he was too lazy, or uncreative enough to write. I agree 100% that he does NOT know how to write relationships.

samandlysander said...

I tried reading extras but it wasn't as Icey without tally as the main character.

Jenny ESP said...

This is much slower paced. Is our stimulation conversation waning? We are missing a few smarties.

Memzy said...

"pleasure" gardens Landee. That is where Jenny was disappointed methinks.

Hot Pants said...

Yeah Landee, The least Scott could have done was give us a little detail about what was going on in those gardens.

samandlysander said...

My flash tattoo is spinning out of control.

Jenny ESP said...

Who are the main characters in Extras?

Hot Pants said...

I got Extras, but could make it past the first few pages.

Hot Pants said...

I wouldn't like the facial tattoo. I didn't get how it was pretty making.

Landee said...

"entwined bodies" wasn't enough for Jenny?

Katie said...

Don't you just picture David being smelly? Him in his hand sewn leather jacket? Out in the woods, digging up old tracks. No shower in sight. His parents were unbrainwashed, and the chose to change back to ugly? I did like them though. Them in their moutain house. Tom, I want a mountain house.

samandlysander said...

Ayala Fuse or something like that but Tally is in it too. It's set in Japan.

Jenny ESP said...

Pleasure gardens were representative of the garden of Eden, were they not, Markie?

And I agree wholeheartedly with your assessment there of sneaky Mr. Westerfeld.

Landee said...

I think that "mountain house" was a cave with a door, Katie. I'll get you one of those.

Hot Pants said...

I think Scott is a lonely old video game tester.

Memzy said...

I think Jenny was looking for some specific talk on "man business".

Landee said...

If forced, my nails could find purchase down Zane's back.

^^ oh no she di'int.

Markie23 said...

Still... I liked Shay. Aren't you gize glad you have a male perspective? I thought she was gay too. I was waiting for her to make a move on Tally. Then the author had to go and say she liked David. So un-fun-making! I think he should have gone with Shay being jealous of David instead of being jealous of Tally.

Katie said...

I am already disappointed in the pretties and I haven't even read it yet. I hope I have a good enough imagination to make pleasure garden work for me.

Jenny ESP said...

I definitely need more love-making deets in my books. Remember in the Host when Wanda make out with Ian and then Jared and then Uncle Jeb, all in a row. Sigh. Romantic.

Hot Pants said...

I really did think that might be where things were going Markie. And I am so grateful to have a males perspective. But you need to listen to us women, and stay away from Shay. She's bad news.

Memzy said...

The best part about Pretties IMO is the language. You could have some FUN convos using only that pretty-speak. Wouldn't that be so bubbly-making?

Landee said...

Jenny, close your eyes.

Hey you gize, in book 2, when she was "staying in Zane's room" and waking up there and stuff... what was implied there? Were they bumping uglies? (get it? Uglies?? ha!)

Hot Pants said...

I liked the Host better. How's that for a slap in the face to Mr. Westerfield.

Katie said...

I see now Mark. You were waiting for some girl on girl action. that is why you tried to like her.

samandlysander said...

She stayed in Zanes room for a long time.

Landee said...

HotP, that was just rood.

Hot Pants said...

Yeah, were we to assume they were just sleeping in a couple of separate twin beds? Scott is seriously the laziest son of a B ever!

Landee said...

So they were doin' it then? Scott is so stingy with the details.

Jenny ESP said...

I'm only a few chapters into Pretties and I love the lingo, for sure.

Forgot to mention, the names New Pretty Town and Ugliville are lamerz. So uncreative.

Markie23 said...

I think it was great comic relief when Shay got turned pretty and then she was all bubbly instead of all butch, and environmentalist. I loved the contrast in her two personalities.

Landee said...

Katie, you're killin me.

Katie said...

I was thinking of nominating one of those trashy novels they sell at the check out. I am sure (judging soley on the cover) there would be plenty of love making deets.

Landee said...

I heart Crumblies though. Describes all the old people out there who have no business driving any more to a tee.

Markie23 said...

Samantha, close your eyes.

Yeah, girl on girl action. BUBBLY!

Jenny ESP said...

It's "bumping pretties" if you're pretty. Yeah, it's even prettier down there.

Hot Pants said...

Lesions on your brain make you uncreative in naming cities you gize.

Landee said...

Ooooh, I wonder what the surge on that area would be like. Never mind, I don't wonder.

Katie said...

Spagbol

Memzy said...

Ewe. I got really grossed out just now.

Katie said...

what the hell are you guys talking about?

Jenny ESP said...

ragdoll

Hot Pants said...

Katie needs to put her shirt down.

Markie23 said...

SwedeBalls

samandlysander said...

What was up with Diego. Heads on fingers and purple people how bubbly.

Markie23 said...

Where is Sara? Is she going to come on-line at 4am, so she can make the last post?

Landee said...

I'm not a fan of Scott Westerstoop.

1) he's a major left winger nazi
2) I can almost guarantee he's homosexual (I like the gays, but he is out of reach)
3) Had a great premise, but didn't quite come through with the crush potential on the leading male characters.

I will say this though, Tally's head is a much better place to be than Bella's.

Katie said...

Do crumblies come in later? Did I seriously miss crumblies? That is the best ever! You got to watch them, they put rolls and such in their pockets. They think the world owes it to them.

Katie said...

that one eye'd purple people eater

Landee said...

Diego reminded me of the Capital in The Hunger Games.

Hot Pants said...

I did like Tally better than Bella, and Wonda.

Katie said...

I just fainted

samandlysander said...

I felt really bad for the crumblies. Who would want to be in their position all crumbly and unpretty.

Hot Pants said...

Edward and Tally! Can you see it gize? Before the pretty-making surgery.

Landee said...

Both of Wanda's minds were annoying.

Markie23 said...

I'm already regretting buying Pretties. I only read one chapter... maybe they'll still take it back. I only read it in the can once you gize.

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